j_unit22785
06-20-2008, 06:17 PM
VTEC engagement on a stock car is OPTIMIZED. Do NOT f*ck with it because all you are really doing is taking away power, depsite what it "feels" like
Now that we have that cleared up...YES, i know that bringing the VTEC crossover up or down around 500 or even 1000 rpm up or down may indeed improve your power curves. Again, this is something u can only really prove if you are on a dyno and u can see the immediate results.
So, why do you need a vtec controller? U dont, really. Unless you are using aftermarket cams, or have upped the compression, or some other internal modification that demands a shift in the VTEC x-over to again be optimized. AGAIN, something you should really be doing on the dyno, as every motor is different, not to mention weather conditions, grade of gasoiline, general condition of the motor, etc....
So when you hear people say "I got a vtec controller and i set vtec to 3,000 rpm so im maddddd fast now son" u know they're a f*cking idiot.
Why? This leads into my explanation on how vtec works but basically....
on a vtec motor there is a vtec cam lobe and non vtec primary & secondary cam lobes. Those non vtec lobes are optimized for low end power delivery. However, @ upper RPM, the small lobes cannot deliver enough air nor keep the valves open long enough to continue to let the motor make power.
Hence, the VTEC crossover...where the VTEC cam lobe takes over duties in opening and closing the valves from the seconary and primary lobes. Since the vtec cam lobe is much taller, it can now provide more air and duration the motor needs to keep making power @ higher RPM.
Now think about it. What does setting VTEC at 3,000 rpm do? It makes a cam lobe designed to work well at HIGH rpm to work at LOW rpm. Conversely, setting VTEC too high will cause the motor to start dying out, then JUMP foward when the VTEC lobes take over.
Its like asking allen iverson to play center against shaq. it doesnt make sense, and therefore, people shouldnt do it cuz its pointless.
If u have or do get a vtec controller, try it one day.
Set vtec to 3,000 and see how much of a pig the car is down low. Then set vtec to say 7,500 rpm or something. See how the car accelerates, slows down, then springs foward again at vtec x-over.
you may think that is the car making more power, but if you were to look at dyno graphs, you would see the torque curve fall off, then rise back up @ your specified vtec cross over point.
the above is also a good way to determine a starting point for an optimal vtec x-over when you have done some internal mods and u would like to set vtec @ a certain point. Take a dyno pull with vtec set low, then another pull with vtec set really high.
Overlap the graphs and where the curves intersect where power falls off and where power comes up is where you should start to f*ck around with a crossover point
Point spoken???:japanflag::japanflag::japanflag:
oh yeah after reading this info..... make sure if you do f*ck with it, do it like this guy on this sweet integra...
VTEC hits NASTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am going to build my SiR like this.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_wjv8PsPT4
Now that we have that cleared up...YES, i know that bringing the VTEC crossover up or down around 500 or even 1000 rpm up or down may indeed improve your power curves. Again, this is something u can only really prove if you are on a dyno and u can see the immediate results.
So, why do you need a vtec controller? U dont, really. Unless you are using aftermarket cams, or have upped the compression, or some other internal modification that demands a shift in the VTEC x-over to again be optimized. AGAIN, something you should really be doing on the dyno, as every motor is different, not to mention weather conditions, grade of gasoiline, general condition of the motor, etc....
So when you hear people say "I got a vtec controller and i set vtec to 3,000 rpm so im maddddd fast now son" u know they're a f*cking idiot.
Why? This leads into my explanation on how vtec works but basically....
on a vtec motor there is a vtec cam lobe and non vtec primary & secondary cam lobes. Those non vtec lobes are optimized for low end power delivery. However, @ upper RPM, the small lobes cannot deliver enough air nor keep the valves open long enough to continue to let the motor make power.
Hence, the VTEC crossover...where the VTEC cam lobe takes over duties in opening and closing the valves from the seconary and primary lobes. Since the vtec cam lobe is much taller, it can now provide more air and duration the motor needs to keep making power @ higher RPM.
Now think about it. What does setting VTEC at 3,000 rpm do? It makes a cam lobe designed to work well at HIGH rpm to work at LOW rpm. Conversely, setting VTEC too high will cause the motor to start dying out, then JUMP foward when the VTEC lobes take over.
Its like asking allen iverson to play center against shaq. it doesnt make sense, and therefore, people shouldnt do it cuz its pointless.
If u have or do get a vtec controller, try it one day.
Set vtec to 3,000 and see how much of a pig the car is down low. Then set vtec to say 7,500 rpm or something. See how the car accelerates, slows down, then springs foward again at vtec x-over.
you may think that is the car making more power, but if you were to look at dyno graphs, you would see the torque curve fall off, then rise back up @ your specified vtec cross over point.
the above is also a good way to determine a starting point for an optimal vtec x-over when you have done some internal mods and u would like to set vtec @ a certain point. Take a dyno pull with vtec set low, then another pull with vtec set really high.
Overlap the graphs and where the curves intersect where power falls off and where power comes up is where you should start to f*ck around with a crossover point
Point spoken???:japanflag::japanflag::japanflag:
oh yeah after reading this info..... make sure if you do f*ck with it, do it like this guy on this sweet integra...
VTEC hits NASTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am going to build my SiR like this.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_wjv8PsPT4